Why I Hate: An Iron Bowl Manifesto

 

I hate Auburn. I have always hated Auburn. I will always hate Auburn. Every once in a while another fanbase may try and seize the mantle of obnoxiousness; Florida fans certainly made a strong run over the past few years. But the barners always take the cake.

While no piece of writing short of a 25,000 word epic could truly encapsulate just how much and why I hate those filthy denizens of Greater Opelika, I will try to outline my loathing of all things Auburn.

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Cheating.  The past fifty-odd years have produced two tainted national championships for Auburn, but seven instances of major NCAA infractions. Auburn was suspended from bowl appearances in 1953 and 1957 for paying players, and they were cited for other violations in 1955 and 1958. In 1979 an additional two years of probation came to the Plains, for a laundry list of violations including improper recruiting and extra benefits.

In 1993 new coach Terry Bowden was caught on tape discussing booster payments to players during the ’90s. This dovetails with the 60 Minutes interview with former player Eric Ramsey, who named Pat Dye and Bobby Lowder as sources of illicit funds. Bobby Lowder would go on to run Colonial Bank into the ground.

In 2004 Auburn was placed on five years probation, with Lowder again named, but this time the charges were of an academic nature. A professor was creating fake sociology classes and majors for football players. Five years later brings us to 2009, about the time when Auburn was recruiting Cam Newton. I’ll let the readers decide if that is merely coincidental.

How Auburn University continues to function as a football playing member of the SEC and NCAA is truly mind boggling. They have willfully and blatantly cheated for decades, and only an NCAA pissing contest with Danny Sheridan prevented the Newton affair from landing Auburn their 8th instance of major probation which would tie them with SMU.

Dishonesty.  Tying in with the cheating factor is the disturbing pattern Auburn displays when it comes to telling the truth. Pat Dye  gives a wink-wink nudge-nudge answer when asked if he paid players, and Cam Newton flashes his fake, $180K smile whenever the cameras are around. Why can’t these men simply tell the truth?

Even on minor issues Auburn has a problem being straightforward. Last year Auburn told the media that Cecil Newton would not be attending the BCS National Championship Game, yet when the clock hit 0:00 we see Cam and Cecil celebrating together. Auburn is simply incapable of being truthful.

Tradition.  Let’s compare Alabama and Auburn when it comes to tradition. When you think of Alabama, you think of great coaches such as Wade, Thomas, Bryant, Stallings and Saban. You think of legendary players, SEC championships and National Championships. You think of leaders and upstanding men, both on and off the field. What is the Auburn tradition? Probation, cheating and throwing toilet paper in trees. For most people, TPing trees is a middle school prank. For the Auburn faithful, it is their most cherished and storied “tradition.”

Fans. Auburn fans are a delusional, whiny, mean-spirited and cult-like group. They take more pleasure in an Alabama loss than they do in an Auburn victory. The Iron Bowl is their entire season, and for some of them their entire existence. For Alabama, the Iron Bowl is a chance to stomp on little brother, then move on to the next step in the process, since there are bigger fish to fry.

Currently the barners are in full-on meltdown mode over the prospect of Alabama playing for the National Title without winning the conference championship. They cannot understand that both humans and computers determine the No. 1 and No. 2 ranked teams in the BCS, and are grasping at straws to keep themselves from going insane. You would think that they would be used to seeing Alabama compete for national championships by now and would know how to deal with it.

While nobody actually condones the Harvey Updyke tree poisoning at Toomer’s Corner, the reaction of the Auburn fans was completely over the top and unwarranted. They are freaking trees, and those idiots have been slowly killing them for years thanks to their toilet paper ritual. Therefore I don’t feel bad about making tree jokes. In fact I have an order in for some Toomer’s oak firewood.

Coaches.  Auburn’s current coaching staff includes Gene Chizik and Trooper Taylor. Why was Gene Chizik, a coach with a 5-19 record a Iowa State hired? Simple, he was brought in to be a yes man for the Lowder/Dye/Jacobs regime, somebody who wouldn’t ask too many questions and do what he was told. Trooper Taylor is a towel waving jackass. He has turned shady recruiting practices into an art form and left a trail of snake oil sales and looming NCAA investigations from Texas to Florida. It’s only a matter of time before the current coaching staff lands Auburn on probation again, or as they call it, home sweet home.

Dirty Play. They don’t call Auburn “Chop Block U” for nothing. The barn is notorious for illegal chop blocks that injure opposing players. In recent years LSU, Georgia, Clemson, Tennessee and Alabama have been on the receiving end of barner chop blocks. Put it this way, when your two most recent coaches have to give the “we don’t teach it” speech to the media, you teach it.

Mascots.  They’re the Eagles, no they’re the Tigers, no wait they’re the War Eagles, make that the War Damn Eagles. Pick a mascot and go with it Auburn, and stop pretending you’re on Jack Hanna’s Animal Adventures. Does anyone know what in the blue hell those idiots mean when they shout that stupid phrase anyway? Also, “track ‘em tigers” might be the absolute dumbest thing I have ever heard and we are all dumber for having to hear those idiots spout their insipid battle cries.

The depths of my hatred for Auburn truly know no bounds.  I hope my beloved Crimson Tide hangs 50 on them this Saturday, then puts Philip Sims in at halftime to get it up into the seventies. Then I hope Auburn is given the death penalty since it is decades overdue.  Roll Tide.

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  • JasonKillgo

    LOL!!! Wow… I didn’t realize there were people this dumb in the world. Just had Auburn Florida State, Georgia and Ga Tech fans all laughing at this ignorant hate speech. FYI when Alabama was recruiting me for football my Junior year of high school I was paid and told I could get in with a 400 and 2.0 GPA by one of your “great” coaches. Against NCAA rules and an insult at the same time.

  • JasonKillgo

    LOL!!! Wow… I didn’t realize there were people this dumb in the world. Just had Auburn Florida State, Georgia and Ga Tech fans all laughing at this ignorant hate speech. FYI when Alabama was recruiting me for football my Junior year of high school I was paid and told I could get in with a 400 and 2.0 GPA by one of your “great” coaches. Against NCAA rules and an insult at the same time.

    • http://bamahammer.com/ TonyOrlando

      @JasonKillgo “Hate speech” is a new one, for sure.

      So, regarding your recuiting, are you saying you were paid more by Auburn, or were unable to make the GPA at Alabama?

      • got4au

        @TonyOrlando It’s a known fact that if you get turned down at Auburn, apply to Alabama. You’ll be accepted. Bama is going after numbers right now in order to grow. Auburn has always been the quality school with the quality programs. We’re THE University of Alabama. War Eagle!!

        • Sleepwriter

          @got4au@TonyOrlando Except that what you say is neither true nor a known fact. According to US News rankings of colleges, Alabama accepts 54% of applicants. Auburn, ranked lower than UA, accepts 79% of applicants. Alabama is considered, by experts, to be the more selective of the two schools.

          Auburn is ranked #82. UA is ranked #75. There’s really not a lot of difference between those two numbers. Vanderbilt is #17, for purposes of comparison. Where Alabama is aggressively seeking numbers is at the Presidential scholar level.

          For reference: Here is the Auburn ranking:

          http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/auburn-university-1009

          and the Alabama one:

          http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-alabama-1051

          Like I say, there is little difference between the total school. As in most states, it is your field of study that should distinguish between the two.

        • Sleepwriter

          @got4au@TonyOrlando

          Oops. Typo. Where I said “Like I say, there is little difference between the total school,” should have read “Like I say, there is little difference between the two schools”.

          I need coffee.

        • got4au

          Agreed. However, I do think Alabama is trying to increase their numbers and know for a fact that kids from elite private schools that get turned down at Auburn get accepted at Alabama because I know them. I’m sure US New & World Report doesn’t realize that. Also, we have alot more to offer like pharmacy, vet, architecture that Alabama doesn’t have not to mention a much better engineering program We have alot to be thankful for in this state with TWO great football programs that both now have Heisman Trophy winners. Not many states can say that. My plan is for Bama to win the NC this year while Auburn is rebuilding and Auburn will win it next year while Bama is rebuilding and we’ll just keep the National Championship in the state of Alabama & not just in the SEC!!! LOL!! I get too irritated at Bama fans that put down my school with their BS that isn’t true. Let’s face it: the worst fans of both schools never went there. War Eagle and have a blessed Thanksgiving!

        • Sleepwriter

          @got4au Thanks for the holiday greetings.

          Yes, Alabama is increasing their numbers but they are also being very selective and recruiting specific students. I don’t think Auburn turned down those students because you know them. Have more confidence in yourself.

          That was a joke. There are students who get turned down at Alabama who also get accepted at Auburn. It happens.

          Yes, Auburn has a good pharmacy program. That’s how my sis ended up going there for a while before transferring out. Alabama also has a better business school, medical program, and a highly ranked law school. They do different things, which is the way it should be.

          Surely, someone in the English department at Auburn should have told you that “alot” is not a word. :)

        • Sleepwriter

          @got4au

          Thanks for the holiday greetings.

          Yes, Alabama is increasing their numbers but they are also being very selective and recruiting specific students. I don’t think Auburn turned down those students because you know them. Have more confidence in yourself.

          That was a joke. There are students who get turned down at Alabama who also get accepted at Auburn. It happens.

          Yes, Auburn has a good pharmacy program. That’s how my sis ended up going there for a while before transferring out. Alabama also has a better business school, medical program, and a highly ranked law school. They do different things, which is the way it should be.

          Surely, someone in the English department at Auburn should have told you that “alot” is not a word. :)

        • got4au

          It’s been a while since I sat in an English classroom or any classroom at Auburn for that matter. :) Alot might not be the King’s English but I think it’s one of those words in our language that has become accepted because people use it so much. I realized after I posted my last post that I left out Alabama’s Law School–just wasn’t thinking. However, UAT does not have a medical school–UAB does. Also, better recheck the business program status. Auburn has one of the best Business schools in the country and it’s MBA program is in the top 5. Just hate that Lowder’s name is on the School of Business building. :( I don’t know an Auburn alum/fan that likes that guy. I think he’s finally off of the board of directors, isn’t he? He cares more about his ego than he does Auburn in my opinion.

          I certainly didn’t mean that kids weren’t accepted to Auburn because they knew me but that I know of kids from elite private schools that were turned down at Auburn that Alabama accepted.

          I know Auburn has a great pharmacy program because our middle son is an Auburn pharmacist. He went to under grad and then onto pharmacy school for his PharmD. He didn’t get a bachelor’s degree. It’s a very tough curriculum.

          Need to get back to my Thanksgiving dinner. We’re eating tonight.

        • Sleepwriter

          @got4au Actually, “alot” is never acceptable. Just because a lot of people use it doesn’t mean we need to give up and change the rules.

          Actually, UA has a medical school, that how the Birmingham extension program (that became UAB) was founded. I see what you are saying though. UAT? what was that you said about hate speech?

          Not to argue, but can you show where Auburn’s MBA program is ranked in the top 5? I don’t find that info in a google search. Neither of our schools show up in a top 30 list in any ranking I have seen.

          I agree about Lowder. He almost cost you guys SAKS accreditation a few years ago. Glad to see your school get out from under that shadow. Maybe if he had gone to a better business school, he wouldn’t have run Colonial into the ground. Sorry, couldn’t resist that one.

          I knew what you meant about the kids who were not accepted. I was just having some fun with words.

          We ate already. Family is running errands.

        • Sleepwriter

          @got4au

          Actually, “alot” is never acceptable. Just because a lot of people use it doesn’t mean we need to give up and change the rules.

          Actually, UA has a medical school, that’s how the Birmingham extension program (which became UAB) was founded. I see what you are saying though. Here’s a history of the program:

          http://medicine.uab.edu/about/44668/

          UAT? what was that you said about hate speech?

          Not to argue, but can you show where Auburn’s MBA program is ranked in the top 5? I don’t find that info in a google search. Neither of our schools show up in a top 30 list in any ranking I have seen.

          I agree about Lowder. He almost cost you guys SACS accreditation a few years ago. Glad to see your school get out from under that shadow. Maybe if he had gone to a better business school, he wouldn’t have run Colonial into the ground. Sorry, couldn’t resist that one.

          I knew what you meant about the kids who were not accepted. I was just having some fun with words.

          We ate already. Family is running errands.

    • BarefootDrunk

      @JasonKillgo Add ‘hypocrites” to the list of I why I personally hate Auburn. It’s perfectly reasonable for them to tell us to go to hell and make jokes about the tornado that devastated the city and KILLED people, but when someone posts a well thought out list of valid reasons for not liking them, it’s “hate speech”. If it upsets you, precious, maybe you should ask your wife to rumage around in her purse and see if she can let you borrow your manhood for a little while before you come back. *shrugs* Just a suggestion.

      • got4au

        @BarefootDrunk@JasonKillgo Both you bama rednecks are so sad. Clearly, your self esteem is wrapped up in bama football. bama is the most crooked program in the country. Have you forgotten about Albert Means and that probation through a Memphis booster that had long ties to bear bryant???Bear was a womanizing alcoholic that almost didn’t get hired because his character was so bad. This was told to me by a Bama fan, one of the few honest ones that I know. Y’all are still on probation from the textbook deal and WHEN you get caught again cheating, and you will, because you do, you’ll get the death penalty. You bring up Eric Ramsey but conveniently leave out Gene Jelks. If your program is so great, then why do you have to make up National Championships??? The only people in the world that believe you have 13 is Alabama. No one else does because you don’t. Ask Lou Holtz. You have 8 which is a wonderful accomplishment and an admirable legacy but no, you lie and make them up when you don’t actually win them. Go look in the mirror bama. Keep trying to tell yourself Auburn is irrelevant. The fact that you feel the need to hate and criticize Auburn like you do proves that Auburn is relevant and that you’re scared to death of us. By the way, I’m an Auburn grad. When did you graduate from Alabama??? That’s what I thought. War Eagle!!

        • Sleepwriter

          @got4au@BarefootDrunk@JasonKillgo

          The Albert Means mess was just that – a mess. If you recall, many schools were alleged to be bidding on his services. Sound familiar?

          Does an Auburn fan really want to bring up Gene Jelks, who was paid by Auburn boosters?

          As far as the championships, which ones would you not count? I’ve read the cut and paste mantra from Auburn goobers about how there are only 7, 8, etc. Why do Aubies get so butt hurt over how many championships Alabama has won? Alabama has been credited with 17 (Auburn with 5) and claims 13 (Auburn claims 2) of those credited rankings. The NCAA lists 11 officially for Alabama.

          Again, why does it matter?

          If an Alabama fan writes about Auburn on an Alabama site during game week makes Auburn relevant, what does it mean that you are posting on an Alabama web site instead of your own? Have a great Thanksgiving little brother. See you Saturday.

        • Sleepwriter

          And, I know you weren’t talking to me but I graduated from UA in Public Relations. UA has the top ranked undergrad program in the nation in that course of study. RTR.

          Your straw man argument about fans and graduates is a silly one. We have more of both.

          @got4au@BarefootDrunk@JasonKillgo

        • Sleepwriter

          @got4au@BarefootDrunk@JasonKillgo

          The Albert Means mess was just that – a mess. If you recall, many schools were alleged to be bidding on his services. Sound familiar?

          Does an Auburn fan really want to bring up Gene Jelks, who was paid by Auburn boosters?

          As far as the championships, which ones would you not count? I’ve read the cut and paste mantra from Auburn goobers about how there are only 7, 8, etc. Why do Aubies get so butt hurt over how many championships Alabama has won? Alabama has been credited with 17 (Auburn with 5) and claims 13 (Auburn claims 2) of those credited rankings. The NCAA lists 11 officially for Alabama.

          Again, why does it matter? If we started claiming 11 tomorrow, would that change your total?

          So, Bear was a drunk who almost didn’t get the job? He did drink, but his hiring wasn’t much of a debate. Remind us who your field is named after. Have you seen his pants?

          If an Alabama fan writing about Auburn on an Alabama site during game week makes Auburn relevant, what does it mean that you are posting on an Alabama web site instead of your own? Have a great Thanksgiving little brother. See you Saturday.

        • Sleepwriter

          And, I know you weren’t talking to me but I graduated from UA in Public Relations. UA has the top ranked undergrad program in the nation in that course of study. RTR.

          Your straw man argument about fans and graduates is a silly one. We have more of both.

          @got4au@BarefootDrunk@JasonKillgo

        • got4au

          I love the way you guys minimize all your NCAA violations and put a positive spin on all the crap you pull. I’m on this site because it came through on my Facebook page for some reason. Free country; free speech. which is a good thing for you. As far as Gene Jelks is concerned, yes I understand an Auburn fan paid him to come forward but if he hadn’t been paid there would be nothing to tell, now would there??? Bama has paid players from day one. For some unknown reason, Bear had too much power in this state and was untouchable, you know, sorta like Paterno. As far as our field being named after Pat Dye, the truth is this: we don’t worship our coaches and our self esteem or in your case, manhood ,doesn’t rest on wins or losses. If Bear had coached at Auburn or any other school in this state when he did, most Bama fans would be pulling for that school. At the end of the 2009 season, the Bama car flags were everywhere and everyone was wearing either red & white or houdstooth. After the 2010 South Carolina loss, they all started to come down. Y’all are the most fair weather fans in the country. i have Bama friends/grads that literally quit wearing their Bama gear when all the Dubose crap started.. Auburn is not Alabama’s little brother. We’re here and we’re relevant and y’all hate that.

          Why wouldn’t Alabama play UAB when they started their sports programs? Why were y’all scared to come to Auburn to play football??? Actually the reasons are obvious now–you can’t win even on your own field with 1 exception. Auburn has the deed to Bryant-Denny!! LOL!! The fact that you “hate” like you and are so threatened by Auburn proves that we are a threat. The only person that needs to check their pants is you. I have feeling there’s not much there. War Eagle!!!

        • Sleepwriter

          @got4au What money was found in the Means case? Speaking of minimizing violations, how many times has Auburn been on probation for paying players? Basketball just got off probation for that. I’ve also heard barner apologists say they paid Ramsey, but it was to help a starving family. Oh? Have you read the NCAA findings on that?

          The textbook thing had no financial gain for any player and was self reported.

          Jelks was paid to lie by Auburn boosters. What did the NCAA find in that case? I’ll answer for you: the NCAA found no evidence that he was ever paid anything by anyone connected to Alabama. Alabama was not sanctioned for Jelks.

        • Sleepwriter

          @got4au Interesting. I wonder which one of us you know in Facebook?

          No one wanted to help UAB start a program in basketball. That was a long time ago. I’d like to see a statewide hoops tournament that raises money for charity. AU, UA, UAB, South, Samford, and three other state programs. It would make a lot of money for the state and for a good cause.

          I’ll skip over the attacks on former coaches since you refuse to admit that naming the field after a drunk, womanizing, cheat was a bad idea.

          Like I said earlier, Happy Thanksgiving. We’ll always think of you as little brother and we’re coming to visit on Saturday.

        • got4au

          Sorry, but that’s not what Jelks said on the ESPN show about the Iron Bowl the other night. He explained why he took the money from Alabama and then why he took the money from Auburn to turn Bama in. You are very naive if you think Bama doesn’t pay players. Logan Young, a long time associate of Bear Bryant, had been funneling players with his money to T-town for years If you think that was a one time deal, you’re deluding yourself. I know Auburn has made mistakes but so has Alabama. The difference is we acknowledge our mistakes and take our licks and y’all lie about what you do. If there was no financial gain in the textbook deal, then why did the NCAA come down on them so hard? Also, remember Antonio Langham (sp) and his deal? If it makes you feel better about yourself to think of Auburn as a “little brother” then that’s your right. Everyone has the right to be wrong. I can assure there’s not an Auburn fan/alum out there that agrees with you. Also, we’ve never had to vacate any wins for cheating like Alabama has. See you Saturday & War Eagle. Oh by the way, the fact that Alabama has to come to our house to play is and always will be an Auburn victory because it’s something y’all vowed not to do!!!

        • got4au

          @Sleepwriter Good idea about the charity basketball tournament. If Auburn didn’t want UAB to have a basketball program, then why did we agree to play them when they started their program? We also played them when they start their football program. Y’all refused to do both . You want to be the only sports program in the state and resent anyone that challenges that. Kind of a spoiled brat mentality, don’t you think? Auburn respects the right of other schools to have their own programs and helps them out. Not Alabama. Auburn is well aware of Dye’s issues. You left out the rumor that he beat his wife :(. They’re divorced, you know. Again, the difference is that we don’t lie and make them out to be something they are not and we don’t treat our coaches as gods. I wish you guys could resurrect Bear Bryant. I’d love to see him coach a team with the recruiting rules that are in place today. I doubt if he would be nearly as successful plus the NCAA /college community just doesn’t put up with that type of bad behavior anymore. Of course, the new recruiting rules were put in place because Bear Bryant, Barry Switzer, et al, abuse their recruiting and signed kids they knew they would never play–defensive recruiting. In other words, they used people; played with their lives and possible future careers for their own benefit.

        • Sleepwriter

          @got4au I don’t miss the Legion field games at all. We spent millions keeping that field operating. They should tear it down.

          What do you think the deal was with Langham? There was no money there either.

          I didn’t see the ESPN thing the other night, however the NCAA said there was nothing to it. That should also sound familiar to you…

          Logan Young, Vandy grad, was in a pissing context with the UT grad and they got into a war of egos. I had no idea of the Dye stories about beating his wife. Sad, if true.

          Auburn and UAB are not part of the same school. Personally, I like UAB and wish them well. They are not a financially stable program and have very poor marketing. I do hope they turn things around.

          Bobby Bowden was one of those recruits who came to Alabama, before Bear, and was benched. That’s how he ended up at Samford.

        • Sleepwriter

          @got4au

          According to the Bham News: “The documentary includes a rare sighting of Gene Jelks, who returned to Tuscalooa for tornado relief almost 20 years after his allegations of receiving cash payments as an Alabama player. Jelks later said he received nearly $37,000 from “Auburn people” to make the allegations.”

          The NCAA said Alabama did not pay Jelks.

        • got4au

          @SleepwriterDidn’t mean UAT as an insult. I’m just tired and didn’t want to type all that. Can’t understand why y’all think UAT is an insult. Doesn’t make sense to m. I really didn’t meant it that way. We’re through eating, everyone is gone and we’re watching Texas-Texas A & M. Go Aggies!! If they think they’re going to have it any easier in the SEC West, they’re in for a rude awakening!!! Didn’t know that about Bobby Bowden. Interesting fact. Love him, can’t stand Terry. Talk about an ego–classic case of “small man syndrome” in my opinion. You won’t find his picture on Jordan Hare Stadium anymore. I think they’ve removed them all. You can double check that, too, if you’re going to the game Saturday. I guess we’re going to have to agree to disagree about this stuff. I’m not going to change your mind and you’re certainly not going to change mine. Just remember that Alabama is the team on probation right now, not Auburn. The Alabama fan base really has no room to talk about breaking NCAA rules ’cause they have definitely broken their share of rules and are finally getting caught. However, thank GOD we’re not Penn State!! I’ve heard that what’s about to come out is that Sandusky pimped those boys out to high paying Penn State alumni. I hope to God that’s not true. It’s sickening. That’s just rumor, though, like Dye hitting his wife. Sounds like you had a great Thanksgiving. Hope that you have a very blessed & Merry Christmas!!

        • Sleepwriter

          Thanks, you too.

          I was really saddened by the Penn State stuff.

          You’re right. The Aggies are not going to find an easy ride here.

          Most of us just chuckle at the UAT thing. It’s sort of like the OWS protesters. You can usually have a friendly debate among fans but you know that when someone says that they are prone to whining about stuff. We usually hear it from people who think they are entitled to change the name of the parent school because UAB has a B on it. There’s a big difference between the 1830s and the 1960s. I like UAB but they could really use a marketing campaign and, maybe, an appointment with Dr. Phil. I had interns from there once who talked about UA as their biggest rival one minute and then told people they were Alabama students the next. We’re not rivals in anything!

          Yes, Alabama is on probation right now because students were abusing their book allowance. I don’t know that I would call that “cheating”, since there is no possible competitive advantage gained. It was also self-reported by Saban when he saw it.

          @got4au

      • got4au

        @BarefootDrunkYour list of “valid” reasons are just that: a list of your opinions and nothing more. War Eagle.

        • BarefootDrunk

          @got4au *giggles* “Ask Lou Holtz”….

          Trust me, you didn’t need to say you’re an Auburn grad. It shows.

          See you Saturday! *smooches*

        • got4au

          Thank you for the compliment. Clearly, that means you didn’t graduate from Alabama. It shows. War Eagle!!

  • http://bamahammer.com/ TonyOrlando

    @JasonKillgo “Hate speech” is a new one, for sure.

    So, regarding your recuiting, are you saying you were paid more by Auburn, or were unable to make the GPA at Alabama?

  • BarefootDrunk

    @JasonKillgo Add ‘hypocrites” to the list of I why I personally hate Auburn. It’s perfectly reasonable for them to tell us to go to hell and make jokes about the tornado that devastated the city and KILLED people, but when someone posts a well thought out list of valid reasons for not liking them, it’s “hate speech”. If it upsets you, precious, maybe you should ask your wife to rumage around in her purse and see if she can let you borrow your manhood for a little while before you come back. *shrugs* Just a suggestion.

  • got4au

    @BarefootDrunk@JasonKillgo Both you bama rednecks are so sad. Clearly, your self esteem is wrapped up in bama football. bama is the most crooked program in the country. Have you forgotten about Albert Means and that probation through a Memphis booster that had long ties to bear bryant???Bear was a womanizing alcoholic that almost didn’t get hired because his character was so bad. This was told to me by a Bama fan, one of the few honest ones that I know. Y’all are still on probation from the textbook deal and WHEN you get caught again cheating, and you will, because you do, you’ll get the death penalty. You bring up Eric Ramsey but conveniently leave out Gene Jelks. If your program is so great, then why do you have to make up National Championships??? The only people in the world that believe you have 13 is Alabama. No one else does because you don’t. Ask Lou Holtz. You have 8 which is a wonderful accomplishment and an admirable legacy but no, you lie and make them up when you don’t actually win them. Go look in the mirror bama. Keep trying to tell yourself Auburn is irrelevant. The fact that you feel the need to hate and criticize Auburn like you do proves that Auburn is relevant and that you’re scared to death of us. By the way, I’m an Auburn grad. When did you graduate from Alabama??? That’s what I thought. War Eagle!!

  • got4au

    My comment wasn’t meant for you, Jason. Sorry about that.

  • got4au

    My comment wasn’t meant for you, Jason. Sorry about that.

  • got4au

    @TonyOrlando It’s a known fact that if you get turned down at Auburn, apply to Alabama. You’ll be accepted. Bama is going after numbers right now in order to grow. Auburn has always been the quality school with the quality programs. We’re THE University of Alabama. War Eagle!!

  • got4au

    @BarefootDrunkYour list of “valid” reasons are just that: a list of your opinions and nothing more. War Eagle.

  • got4au

    Mean spirited: poisoning trees, playing mean spirited songs before the Iron Bowl at home; I personally got tripped at Legion field while walking to my seat by a bammer for no reason; name calling such as “cow college” and “school down the road”. Do I need any more examples??? Any one or any school that has to resort to name calling is pretty pathetic & immature & insecure.

  • got4au

    Mean spirited: poisoning trees, playing mean spirited songs before the Iron Bowl at home; I personally got tripped at Legion field while walking to my seat by a bammer for no reason; name calling such as “cow college” and “school down the road”. Do I need any more examples??? Any one or any school that has to resort to name calling is pretty pathetic & immature & insecure.

    • Sleepwriter

      @got4au

      ” Any one or any school that has to resort to name calling is pretty pathetic & immature & insecure.”

      I agree. Interesting that you have called people bammers, rednecks, cheats, and drunks all in the same conversation. :)

      It’s great that you are proud of your school. You should be. That’s still no excuse for spewing the typical barner tripe. Go and be proud of who you are. Why should you care if Alabama counts the 11 championships the NCAA counts, the 13 they choose to count, or the 17 other people count for them? You guys get all bent out of shape of some really stupid shit. Why is that?

      I actually had a friend, who is an Auburn grad, tell me that Auburn is a real college town and UA is just a college in a city. That kind of grasping at straws for comparison is completely stupid. It’s delusional.

      Personally, I think you can do better. Don’t you?

  • BarefootDrunk

    @got4au *giggles* “Ask Lou Holtz”….

    Trust me, you didn’t need to say you’re an Auburn grad. It shows.

    See you Saturday! *smooches*

  • Sleepwriter

    @got4au@TonyOrlando Except that what you say is neither true nor a known fact. According to US News rankings of colleges, Alabama accepts 54% of applicants. Auburn, ranked lower than UA, accepts 79% of applicants. Alabama is considered, by experts, to be the more selective of the two schools.

    Auburn is ranked #82. UA is ranked #75. There’s really not a lot of difference between those two numbers. Vanderbilt is #17, for purposes of comparison. Where Alabama is aggressively seeking numbers is at the Presidential scholar level.

    For reference: Here is the Auburn ranking:

    http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/auburn-university-1009

    and the Alabama one:

    http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-alabama-1051

    Like I say, there is little difference between the total school. As in most states, it is your field of study that should distinguish between the two.

  • Sleepwriter

    @got4au@BarefootDrunk@JasonKillgo

    The Albert Means mess was just that – a mess. If you recall, many schools were alleged to be bidding on his services. Sound familiar?

    Does an Auburn fan really want to bring up Gene Jelks, who was paid by Auburn boosters?

    As far as the championships, which ones would you not count? I’ve read the cut and paste mantra from Auburn goobers about how there are only 7, 8, etc. Why do Aubies get so butt hurt over how many championships Alabama has won? Alabama has been credited with 17 (Auburn with 5) and claims 13 (Auburn claims 2) of those credited rankings. The NCAA lists 11 officially for Alabama.

    Again, why does it matter?

    If an Alabama fan writes about Auburn on an Alabama site during game week makes Auburn relevant, what does it mean that you are posting on an Alabama web site instead of your own? Have a great Thanksgiving little brother. See you Saturday.

  • Sleepwriter

    And, I know you weren’t talking to me but I graduated from UA in Public Relations. UA has the top ranked undergrad program in the nation in that course of study. RTR.

    Your straw man argument about fans and graduates is a silly one. We have more of both.

    @got4au@BarefootDrunk@JasonKillgo

  • Sleepwriter

    @got4au@TonyOrlando

    Oops. Typo. Where I said “Like I say, there is little difference between the total school,” should have read “Like I say, there is little difference between the two schools”.

    I need coffee.

  • Sleepwriter

    @got4au@BarefootDrunk@JasonKillgo

    The Albert Means mess was just that – a mess. If you recall, many schools were alleged to be bidding on his services. Sound familiar?

    Does an Auburn fan really want to bring up Gene Jelks, who was paid by Auburn boosters?

    As far as the championships, which ones would you not count? I’ve read the cut and paste mantra from Auburn goobers about how there are only 7, 8, etc. Why do Aubies get so butt hurt over how many championships Alabama has won? Alabama has been credited with 17 (Auburn with 5) and claims 13 (Auburn claims 2) of those credited rankings. The NCAA lists 11 officially for Alabama.

    Again, why does it matter? If we started claiming 11 tomorrow, would that change your total?

    So, Bear was a drunk who almost didn’t get the job? He did drink, but his hiring wasn’t much of a debate. Remind us who your field is named after. Have you seen his pants?

    If an Alabama fan writing about Auburn on an Alabama site during game week makes Auburn relevant, what does it mean that you are posting on an Alabama web site instead of your own? Have a great Thanksgiving little brother. See you Saturday.

  • Sleepwriter

    And, I know you weren’t talking to me but I graduated from UA in Public Relations. UA has the top ranked undergrad program in the nation in that course of study. RTR.

    Your straw man argument about fans and graduates is a silly one. We have more of both.

    @got4au@BarefootDrunk@JasonKillgo

  • got4au

    I love the way you guys minimize all your NCAA violations and put a positive spin on all the crap you pull. I’m on this site because it came through on my Facebook page for some reason. Free country; free speech. which is a good thing for you. As far as Gene Jelks is concerned, yes I understand an Auburn fan paid him to come forward but if he hadn’t been paid there would be nothing to tell, now would there??? Bama has paid players from day one. For some unknown reason, Bear had too much power in this state and was untouchable, you know, sorta like Paterno. As far as our field being named after Pat Dye, the truth is this: we don’t worship our coaches and our self esteem or in your case, manhood ,doesn’t rest on wins or losses. If Bear had coached at Auburn or any other school in this state when he did, most Bama fans would be pulling for that school. At the end of the 2009 season, the Bama car flags were everywhere and everyone was wearing either red & white or houdstooth. After the 2010 South Carolina loss, they all started to come down. Y’all are the most fair weather fans in the country. i have Bama friends/grads that literally quit wearing their Bama gear when all the Dubose crap started.. Auburn is not Alabama’s little brother. We’re here and we’re relevant and y’all hate that.

    Why wouldn’t Alabama play UAB when they started their sports programs? Why were y’all scared to come to Auburn to play football??? Actually the reasons are obvious now–you can’t win even on your own field with 1 exception. Auburn has the deed to Bryant-Denny!! LOL!! The fact that you “hate” like you and are so threatened by Auburn proves that we are a threat. The only person that needs to check their pants is you. I have feeling there’s not much there. War Eagle!!!

  • got4au

    Agreed. However, I do think Alabama is trying to increase their numbers and know for a fact that kids from elite private schools that get turned down at Auburn get accepted at Alabama because I know them. I’m sure US New & World Report doesn’t realize that. Also, we have alot more to offer like pharmacy, vet, architecture that Alabama doesn’t have not to mention a much better engineering program We have alot to be thankful for in this state with TWO great football programs that both now have Heisman Trophy winners. Not many states can say that. My plan is for Bama to win the NC this year while Auburn is rebuilding and Auburn will win it next year while Bama is rebuilding and we’ll just keep the National Championship in the state of Alabama & not just in the SEC!!! LOL!! I get too irritated at Bama fans that put down my school with their BS that isn’t true. Let’s face it: the worst fans of both schools never went there. War Eagle and have a blessed Thanksgiving!

  • got4au

    Thank you for the compliment. Clearly, that means you didn’t graduate from Alabama. It shows. War Eagle!!

  • Sleepwriter

    @got4au Thanks for the holiday greetings.

    Yes, Alabama is increasing their numbers but they are also being very selective and recruiting specific students. I don’t think Auburn turned down those students because you know them. Have more confidence in yourself.

    That was a joke. There are students who get turned down at Alabama who also get accepted at Auburn. It happens.

    Yes, Auburn has a good pharmacy program. That’s how my sis ended up going there for a while before transferring out. Alabama also has a better business school, medical program, and a highly ranked law school. They do different things, which is the way it should be.

    Surely, someone in the English department at Auburn should have told you that “alot” is not a word. :)

  • Sleepwriter

    @got4au

    Thanks for the holiday greetings.

    Yes, Alabama is increasing their numbers but they are also being very selective and recruiting specific students. I don’t think Auburn turned down those students because you know them. Have more confidence in yourself.

    That was a joke. There are students who get turned down at Alabama who also get accepted at Auburn. It happens.

    Yes, Auburn has a good pharmacy program. That’s how my sis ended up going there for a while before transferring out. Alabama also has a better business school, medical program, and a highly ranked law school. They do different things, which is the way it should be.

    Surely, someone in the English department at Auburn should have told you that “alot” is not a word. :)

  • Sleepwriter

    @got4au What money was found in the Means case? Speaking of minimizing violations, how many times has Auburn been on probation for paying players? Basketball just got off probation for that. I’ve also heard barner apologists say they paid Ramsey, but it was to help a starving family. Oh? Have you read the NCAA findings on that?

    The textbook thing had no financial gain for any player and was self reported.

    Jelks was paid to lie by Auburn boosters. What did the NCAA find in that case? I’ll answer for you: the NCAA found no evidence that he was ever paid anything by anyone connected to Alabama. Alabama was not sanctioned for Jelks.

  • Sleepwriter

    @got4au Interesting. I wonder which one of us you know in Facebook?

    No one wanted to help UAB start a program in basketball. That was a long time ago. I’d like to see a statewide hoops tournament that raises money for charity. AU, UA, UAB, South, Samford, and three other state programs. It would make a lot of money for the state and for a good cause.

    I’ll skip over the attacks on former coaches since you refuse to admit that naming the field after a drunk, womanizing, cheat was a bad idea.

    Like I said earlier, Happy Thanksgiving. We’ll always think of you as little brother and we’re coming to visit on Saturday.

  • got4au

    It’s been a while since I sat in an English classroom or any classroom at Auburn for that matter. :) Alot might not be the King’s English but I think it’s one of those words in our language that has become accepted because people use it so much. I realized after I posted my last post that I left out Alabama’s Law School–just wasn’t thinking. However, UAT does not have a medical school–UAB does. Also, better recheck the business program status. Auburn has one of the best Business schools in the country and it’s MBA program is in the top 5. Just hate that Lowder’s name is on the School of Business building. :( I don’t know an Auburn alum/fan that likes that guy. I think he’s finally off of the board of directors, isn’t he? He cares more about his ego than he does Auburn in my opinion.

    I certainly didn’t mean that kids weren’t accepted to Auburn because they knew me but that I know of kids from elite private schools that were turned down at Auburn that Alabama accepted.

    I know Auburn has a great pharmacy program because our middle son is an Auburn pharmacist. He went to under grad and then onto pharmacy school for his PharmD. He didn’t get a bachelor’s degree. It’s a very tough curriculum.

    Need to get back to my Thanksgiving dinner. We’re eating tonight.

  • Sleepwriter

    @got4au

    ” Any one or any school that has to resort to name calling is pretty pathetic & immature & insecure.”

    I agree. Interesting that you have called people bammers, rednecks, cheats, and drunks all in the same conversation. :)

    It’s great that you are proud of your school. You should be. That’s still no excuse for spewing the typical barner tripe. Go and be proud of who you are. Why should you care if Alabama counts the 11 championships the NCAA counts, the 13 they choose to count, or the 17 other people count for them? You guys get all bent out of shape of some really stupid shit. Why is that?

    I actually had a friend, who is an Auburn grad, tell me that Auburn is a real college town and UA is just a college in a city. That kind of grasping at straws for comparison is completely stupid. It’s delusional.

    Personally, I think you can do better. Don’t you?

  • got4au

    Sorry, but that’s not what Jelks said on the ESPN show about the Iron Bowl the other night. He explained why he took the money from Alabama and then why he took the money from Auburn to turn Bama in. You are very naive if you think Bama doesn’t pay players. Logan Young, a long time associate of Bear Bryant, had been funneling players with his money to T-town for years If you think that was a one time deal, you’re deluding yourself. I know Auburn has made mistakes but so has Alabama. The difference is we acknowledge our mistakes and take our licks and y’all lie about what you do. If there was no financial gain in the textbook deal, then why did the NCAA come down on them so hard? Also, remember Antonio Langham (sp) and his deal? If it makes you feel better about yourself to think of Auburn as a “little brother” then that’s your right. Everyone has the right to be wrong. I can assure there’s not an Auburn fan/alum out there that agrees with you. Also, we’ve never had to vacate any wins for cheating like Alabama has. See you Saturday & War Eagle. Oh by the way, the fact that Alabama has to come to our house to play is and always will be an Auburn victory because it’s something y’all vowed not to do!!!

  • got4au

    @Sleepwriter Good idea about the charity basketball tournament. If Auburn didn’t want UAB to have a basketball program, then why did we agree to play them when they started their program? We also played them when they start their football program. Y’all refused to do both . You want to be the only sports program in the state and resent anyone that challenges that. Kind of a spoiled brat mentality, don’t you think? Auburn respects the right of other schools to have their own programs and helps them out. Not Alabama. Auburn is well aware of Dye’s issues. You left out the rumor that he beat his wife :(. They’re divorced, you know. Again, the difference is that we don’t lie and make them out to be something they are not and we don’t treat our coaches as gods. I wish you guys could resurrect Bear Bryant. I’d love to see him coach a team with the recruiting rules that are in place today. I doubt if he would be nearly as successful plus the NCAA /college community just doesn’t put up with that type of bad behavior anymore. Of course, the new recruiting rules were put in place because Bear Bryant, Barry Switzer, et al, abuse their recruiting and signed kids they knew they would never play–defensive recruiting. In other words, they used people; played with their lives and possible future careers for their own benefit.

  • Sleepwriter

    @got4au Actually, “alot” is never acceptable. Just because a lot of people use it doesn’t mean we need to give up and change the rules.

    Actually, UA has a medical school, that how the Birmingham extension program (that became UAB) was founded. I see what you are saying though. UAT? what was that you said about hate speech?

    Not to argue, but can you show where Auburn’s MBA program is ranked in the top 5? I don’t find that info in a google search. Neither of our schools show up in a top 30 list in any ranking I have seen.

    I agree about Lowder. He almost cost you guys SAKS accreditation a few years ago. Glad to see your school get out from under that shadow. Maybe if he had gone to a better business school, he wouldn’t have run Colonial into the ground. Sorry, couldn’t resist that one.

    I knew what you meant about the kids who were not accepted. I was just having some fun with words.

    We ate already. Family is running errands.

  • Sleepwriter

    @got4au I don’t miss the Legion field games at all. We spent millions keeping that field operating. They should tear it down.

    What do you think the deal was with Langham? There was no money there either.

    I didn’t see the ESPN thing the other night, however the NCAA said there was nothing to it. That should also sound familiar to you…

    Logan Young, Vandy grad, was in a pissing context with the UT grad and they got into a war of egos. I had no idea of the Dye stories about beating his wife. Sad, if true.

    Auburn and UAB are not part of the same school. Personally, I like UAB and wish them well. They are not a financially stable program and have very poor marketing. I do hope they turn things around.

    Bobby Bowden was one of those recruits who came to Alabama, before Bear, and was benched. That’s how he ended up at Samford.

  • Sleepwriter

    @got4au

    According to the Bham News: “The documentary includes a rare sighting of Gene Jelks, who returned to Tuscalooa for tornado relief almost 20 years after his allegations of receiving cash payments as an Alabama player. Jelks later said he received nearly $37,000 from “Auburn people” to make the allegations.”

    The NCAA said Alabama did not pay Jelks.

  • Sleepwriter

    @got4au

    Actually, “alot” is never acceptable. Just because a lot of people use it doesn’t mean we need to give up and change the rules.

    Actually, UA has a medical school, that’s how the Birmingham extension program (which became UAB) was founded. I see what you are saying though. Here’s a history of the program:

    http://medicine.uab.edu/about/44668/

    UAT? what was that you said about hate speech?

    Not to argue, but can you show where Auburn’s MBA program is ranked in the top 5? I don’t find that info in a google search. Neither of our schools show up in a top 30 list in any ranking I have seen.

    I agree about Lowder. He almost cost you guys SACS accreditation a few years ago. Glad to see your school get out from under that shadow. Maybe if he had gone to a better business school, he wouldn’t have run Colonial into the ground. Sorry, couldn’t resist that one.

    I knew what you meant about the kids who were not accepted. I was just having some fun with words.

    We ate already. Family is running errands.

  • got4au

    @SleepwriterDidn’t mean UAT as an insult. I’m just tired and didn’t want to type all that. Can’t understand why y’all think UAT is an insult. Doesn’t make sense to m. I really didn’t meant it that way. We’re through eating, everyone is gone and we’re watching Texas-Texas A & M. Go Aggies!! If they think they’re going to have it any easier in the SEC West, they’re in for a rude awakening!!! Didn’t know that about Bobby Bowden. Interesting fact. Love him, can’t stand Terry. Talk about an ego–classic case of “small man syndrome” in my opinion. You won’t find his picture on Jordan Hare Stadium anymore. I think they’ve removed them all. You can double check that, too, if you’re going to the game Saturday. I guess we’re going to have to agree to disagree about this stuff. I’m not going to change your mind and you’re certainly not going to change mine. Just remember that Alabama is the team on probation right now, not Auburn. The Alabama fan base really has no room to talk about breaking NCAA rules ’cause they have definitely broken their share of rules and are finally getting caught. However, thank GOD we’re not Penn State!! I’ve heard that what’s about to come out is that Sandusky pimped those boys out to high paying Penn State alumni. I hope to God that’s not true. It’s sickening. That’s just rumor, though, like Dye hitting his wife. Sounds like you had a great Thanksgiving. Hope that you have a very blessed & Merry Christmas!!

  • Sleepwriter

    Thanks, you too.

    I was really saddened by the Penn State stuff.

    You’re right. The Aggies are not going to find an easy ride here.

    Most of us just chuckle at the UAT thing. It’s sort of like the OWS protesters. You can usually have a friendly debate among fans but you know that when someone says that they are prone to whining about stuff. We usually hear it from people who think they are entitled to change the name of the parent school because UAB has a B on it. There’s a big difference between the 1830s and the 1960s. I like UAB but they could really use a marketing campaign and, maybe, an appointment with Dr. Phil. I had interns from there once who talked about UA as their biggest rival one minute and then told people they were Alabama students the next. We’re not rivals in anything!

    Yes, Alabama is on probation right now because students were abusing their book allowance. I don’t know that I would call that “cheating”, since there is no possible competitive advantage gained. It was also self-reported by Saban when he saw it.

    @got4au